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So theoretically, what can I do with my script?

vin conzo
Posted November 24, 2012 9:00 AM
While I feel like I have a solid grasp on writing, I'm way behind the curve when it comes to "shopping" what I've written.

I'll never sit here and act like I'm great, getting a big head would only lead me to massive disappointment, but I'm currently sitting on the #1 script on this site.  This is not a brag by any means, besides only 11 people have reviewed it... but I'm pretty confident I have a good spec on my hands.  The subject matter of the episode gets more stale by the day, and i've always considered it just another bullet in my gun.  A writing exercise if anything to pair with some other "original" things I've written...

at the same time, is there anywhere you guys can lead me where maybe I can send a spec like this out?  I mean, even if it just proves I can write in an established voice, that can't be a bad thing, right?

I don't really know what to do.  It seems a waste to have this spec that has garnered pretty positive feeback from fans of the actual show just sitting in my "Word" folder.  While talentville is a great place, I'd like to get it to as many people as possible.


Colin O'Brien
Posted November 24, 2012 9:47 AM
Good question, Vin. I've been asking myself the same. What they'll probably tell you is - you need a great original sit-com script to package with your great existing sitcom spec (sunny).

Thing is, Vin does have a great original sitcom spec (Trophy Lives) and another after that. In my mind, that plus the Sunny specs, should more than qualify for a staff writing job somewhere. Personally I've had 3 scripts in the top 3 here (I am bragging, for the record) yet I still can't any manager to so much as reply to a query letter. It's depressing.

So I have no answer Vin, only empathy. Enjoy!

Paul Mailhot
Posted November 24, 2012 9:51 AM
I picked up the Fall 2012 Hollywood Screenwriting Directory. In it you have a breakdown of the publishers who will accept queries from unsolicited sources, and which ones accept queries by email. The rule of thumb, however, is don't send an episode to the the makers of that show, only to makers of other shows.

vin conzo
Posted November 24, 2012 9:59 AM
Colin, you are consistantly a downer my friend, and I'm kinda getting sick of your schtick.  Also, your scripts are hot garbage. *corny winky face emoticon insinuating I was joking*

Paul, that's good to know.  I'll look into it.  I mean, I actually never had any intention to send it to them.  That always seemed like a no-no... also virtually impossible.  I'd imagine that most comedy writers are fans of the show though and would apprecite the attempt.  I mean, I've written Family Guys for christ's sake just to show I can reach across the comedy landscape.  I'd post that here, but I tend to think there's too much backlash towards that show these days.

Colin O'Brien
Posted November 24, 2012 10:16 AM
At the risk of sounding negative Vin, just remember: You will definitely fail.

I did send my specs to It's Always Sunny btw. (What's the worst that could happen?) Under the email heading "The Gang sends an Effective Query letter."
Which I'm sure they found hilarious as they deleted it.

A little OT but: Anyone see this story? Pretty funny. The Simpsons is finally producing a 20 year old spec script Judd Apatow wrote when he was a struggling writer:

Paul, when you query - have you mentioned your T'Ville success?

Paul Mailhot
Posted November 24, 2012 10:22 AM
I haven't queried anyone yet. I'm not yet at the place where I think I have saleable stuff. However, when I do, I probably will not mention success on a peer review site. It doesn't seem to fit into any of the professional query-writing advice that I've read.

Paul Mailhot
Posted November 24, 2012 10:34 AM
Here's one you can research.

1019 Entertainment
1680 north vine street, suite 600
hollywood, ca 90028


Accepts query letter from unproduced, unrepresented writers via email.
Genre: Memoir & True Stories, tv drama, tv sitcom

Terry Botwick (title: Principal)

Mark Esslinger
Posted November 24, 2012 11:30 AM

Get on IMDb Pro -- look up the writers on "Sunny" or even a similar type show.  Most times the writer's representation will be listed (on Pro).  Call, write, email, those agents that represent your "style" of writing.  Tell them you have an original sit-com pilot plus an excellent spec "Sunny" -- talk to an assistant at the agency -- in some cases you'll be talking to the assistant's assistant -- you won't get the actual agent.  Make friends with these assistants -- be funny -- flirt with them -- send them a Christmas card -- they are the door to the agent -- and someday they might be an agent.  After all that, if you're lucky enough, they may ask you to send your material -- when they ask just send what they ask for -- then every couple of weeks give them a nudge to see if they've read it -- after that, hope for the best.

It's obviously easier in L.A. -- you can actually run into these people at clubs, restaurants, dog parks, etc. -- but since you're not here this is your only alternative.  Good Luck.  Mark Esslinger

vin conzo
Posted November 24, 2012 11:42 AM
thanks Mark, but I've heard it all before, was hoping to hear a different side of that.

That has always felt like a dead end, you hear about 1 guy out of 1000s who actually got through that way.  I've done the query letter/email/phone call thing before.  Hell I had about 20 "charming" techniques, I even impersonated Seth Rogen a few times to bypass secretaries.  One girl even told me it was convincing!

You always hear "you'll probably talk to a college kid who will someday be an agent."  That's all good and well, but what?  I'm supposed to wait 10 years?  That can't be the way all of these writers broke in.  You got the grinders, the writers who "know somebody" and who else?  The contest winners?  How else do these people get meetings?  Just whore themselves to no end?

all that being said, maybe it's time for another blast.  I guess it's really the only way, huh? 

Time to make a new email address and get another free month of imdbpro

I'm at a stage now like I was when i started writing and all I did was read contradicting do's and don't's like "no ing words" "ing words are fine."  I'm just confused and I need a plan of action.

While I'm here, does anyone know of anyone worth a damn in NYC?  I mean, outside of La, shouldn't that be the "next best thing?"  That's a stretch b/c i know literally everything revolves around La, but there have to be some good agents/producers/whoevers based in NYC.  I'd love to meet just one.  Im only an hour train ride out.

Mark Esslinger
Posted November 24, 2012 12:12 PM
3,000 miles is a huge obstacle when you're trying to break into TV  -- with TV you're trying to sell yourself as much as a script -- it's very collaborative.  I think the distance would be less of a barrier with a feature screenplay -- they either like it or they don't.  Keep trying.  Mark

Ward Bower
Posted November 24, 2012 1:24 PM
scriptapoolza (sp) has a contest specifically for TV scripts of existing shows. at least that’s a chance for exposure. Otherwise, it's just a fun writing exercise because using an existing show isn't going to impress people as much as original material.

as for the original pilot. you have the obvious pitchfests, trade shows, contests etc to get it out there. network yourself in meetup groups, friends etc. and don't hold out just for people "worth a damn" there are a lot of talented people looking to make a name for themselves just like you. Big film schools in NYC too, lots of aspiring director’s looking for material.

i haven't read your pilot, but is it something that can be shot without much budget? perhaps you know someone who can, or you can direct/edit. Shoot at the local community TV station for free. Find some local actors to work on credit etc. get your episodes up online. if it's worth a bleep, and sorry this peer review site is not entirely an accurate gauge (yes i'm bitter) then you could build even a small audience and demonstrate that it works. A series that they can see and has even modest success with an audience is easier to pitch than just something on paper. If bought, they would obviously reshoot and produce it, or give you a budget to do it pro level. . so don’t worry about network level production. Speaking of networks, I know Netflix is looking for more original content for their online subscribers.